Diesel corrosion

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Re: Diesel corrosion

Post by PatSmyth » Tue Dec 21, 2021 7:23 am

Thanks Zane, holiday reading material :-)

It will be very interesting to compare theses findings from existing tanks with the CRC Project DP-07-16-01 strict lab analysis over the 12 weeks of study.

In addition, I’ll compare these results with the findings from my fuel sampling of backup generator storage tanks. The main difference is fuel sits in these tanks over years, rarely changed out.

I sample in both Ontario and Quebec. I have a natural laboratory, Quebec has had biodiesel for 10+ years, Ontario only added 5 years ago. I have Ontario samples from the very beginning of the introduction of biodiesel (fuel was good) until now (fuel worsening), and Quebec (fuel consistently bad). Quebec present fuel quality is the future for Ontario stored diesel.

In addition I have samples from both provinces that have installed SAE J1488 filtration to address biodiesel (spoiler, fuel very good).

Back to you soon.

All of the best of the season, and keep safe.

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Re: Diesel corrosion

Post by PatSmyth » Thu Mar 17, 2022 7:42 am

Expect greatly increased focus on fuel leakage from UST's.

Jet fuel contaminated a well in the the aquifer that supplies 25% of Honolulu’s water supply.

How serious is this? The Navy is moving 200+ million gallons of fuel from 20 UST’s to other storage. https://www.npr.org/2022/01/11/10723465 ... ation-navy.

This contamination of drinking water in Hawaii will result in increase focus on leaking underground storage tanks across the US.

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Re: Diesel corrosion

Post by PatSmyth » Wed Aug 24, 2022 10:59 am

Hello all - just catching up.

I was invited to present at the ASTM Committee Week June 27th, the topic Diesel Corrosion Control. The presentation detailed what I believe is the diesel corrosion mechanism, and also how to control corrosion via SAE J1488 filtration. On a related note, I've been invited to give this presentation to the SAE Filter Test Methods Standards Committee.

The presentation includes the latest findings from CRC Project DP-07-16-01 2021, specifically discussing micelle formation, and input from Dr. Fred Passman on the major role the biosurfactants play in the corrosion process. The presentation then discusses how micelles impact corrosion.

The second part of the presentation discusses the SAE J1488 test procedure, and that J1488 filtration can remove micelles, as well as three fuel tests that can detail the state of the fuel in a tank.

There is a slide on the impact of corrosion on injectors in emergency backup generators, and a slide on how home heating oil storage tanks are affected.

The presentation can be downloaded at www.octanesystemsinc.com/downloads

Pat

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Re: Diesel corrosion

Post by ZMiller » Sat Aug 27, 2022 9:13 am

Always interesting.
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Re: Diesel corrosion

Post by ZMiller » Sat Sep 17, 2022 1:31 pm

NBS Nitrogen Blanketing Systems 2022
Corrosion Control - Fuel Quality Fuel - Quantity Preservation and Low VOC Emitting Systems

The Nitrogen Blanketing Systems(NBS) are designed to prevent the formation of corrosive, damaging conditions in commercial and other long term fuel storage tanks such as those used for generators. The system is a corrosion control and fuel quality preservation method that prevents the growth of bacteria, molds and yeasts that starts in the ullage of tanks. These biologicals produce acidic deposits that cause serious damage and failures to associated fueling components, equipment and fuel quality.

Although corrosive conditions form in the ullage of tanks, the results spread throughout the tank system and throughout the entire fueling system. The acid that is created in the ullage is a result of bacterial growth, specifically acetobacter bacteria. The acidic vapor created by the bacteria is pressurized every time fuel is dropped in the tank. The acidic vapor makes its way into sumps, corroding equipment there. This vapor makes its way onto every surface in the ullage, depositing acidic moisture as it condenses on the ullage surfaces. The condensed acidic liquid attacks all metallic surfaces on the inside of the tank, making it difficult or impossible to remove bungs. The acid penetrates fiberglass, attacking bungs and man way attachment surfaces. Any exposed steel inside the glass or steel tank begins dropping particulates into the fuel. The larger particulates drop to the bottom of the tank where piles accumulate. As bacteria are attached to the particulates, these piles at the bottom of the tank become colonies of bacteria. The bacteria form a protective coating, a type of slime that protects the colonies from bactericide used to kill the free-floating bacteria. These colonies excrete acids that attack the associated components of the fueling system. Sometimes fuel drops carry the particulates from where they initially fell out to the edges of the tank, the tank end-wall. Colonies form there as they do beneath submersible pump columns, the bottom of metal man ways, under bungs, and equipment hung from bungs. Fuel drops move and mix the particulates into the fuel. The particulates are in the fuel as the pump continues to deliver fuel during and after the fuel drop.

There are two categories of particulates – large and small. The larger particulates are evident as they clog fuel filters. As fuel filters are not “absolute,” there is a portion of the fuel that is not filtered. Some of these particulates still pass through (velocity corrosive) the fuel system wearing on meters, causing drift of fuel meters, and wearing components in the dispenser as they make their way into vehicle fuel tanks.

The second category of particulates, the small particulates, are the real problem. These are a much smaller micron than is filtered out by the normal filtration at a fueling facility, and even smaller than the filtration used on gensets. The smaller particulates are basically a very fine powder described as the consistency of ground (ferrous oxides) cinnamon. This type of particulate is particularly dangerous to fuel injectors. Today’s generators have fuel injection systems that are worn by this type of particulates. Facility managers are very aware of the high cost of fuel injector wear. The cost is certainly one issue as it is a maintenance cost that has to be dealt with monthly and annually through the budget process. More important is the potential downtime of generators that are not able to run in mission critical situations. Small particulates fouling equipment has dire consequences on critical infrastructure like the emergency gensets that are at virtually every hospital, data center, bank and insurance company processing center, cell tower, prison, federal, state, and city municipal building, and many more types of buildings and systems that have this type of emergency power. Included in this is industry like mining and remote cities/villages that provide power or backup power to remote sites. If you do not have heartburn yet, the acidic liquid in the ullage of the tank accumulates and runs into the fuel, acidifying the fuel. This acidic fuel affects all portions of the downstream assets.

Shear valves
Steel flex connectors
Motor column of submersible pumps
Filter housings

This acidity has been documented in tanks as low as 1pH, in the Sulfuric acid range. Today, the mix of fuel, either biodiesel or ethanol, and the water that enters these tanks though fuel dispensing (moist air enters the tank and condenses on the tank shell), or in storage tanks the transpiration (heating and cooling due to daytime heating / nighttime cooling) that occurs allows moisture to enter the tanks and provides the perfect environment to encourage biological growth. Higher Sulfur content in fuels used to keep the biologicals restrained, not so with today reduced sulfur fuel formulas. Water in fuels is a problem and others offer filtration solutions. Water in the fuel, or water at the bottom of the tank is not the majority of the problem. Water filtration does nothing to prevent the root cause, preventing the moisture from entering the tank in the first place. NBS is the only option on the market that provides a comprehensive solution. NBS prevents acidity from forming in the ullage of the tank, from damaging equipment in the headspace of the tank, preventing acidified vapors from entering sumps, preventing the particulates from the headspace of the tank from falling into the tank and forming colonies, and keeping acidified water in the headspace of the tank from running into the fuel and acidifying the fuel. Nitrogen Gas Blanketing in the headspace of tanks has proven to prevent the conditions that permit system corrosion and fuel degradation. Benefits include how NBS changes the tank’s environment to prevent the conditions that provide water for germination and oxygen for respiration for colonies to grow. Eliminating water and oxygen prevents serious damage that has led to failure of fuel storage containment boundaries – leaking primaries, protecting equipment in the fuel storage tank, preventing the acidification of the fuel, and a reduction of fuel particulates. API 2000 6th and 7th Editions address environmental corrosion control for large fuel tanks. These protocols are in proven use at refineries, bulk fuel storage facilities, bulk fuel transfer terminals and airports worldwide. The consensus of a group of state regulators, fueling system component manufacturers, and operators of retail and commercial fueling sites is that the conditions causing corrosion damage to fueling system components in fuel storage equipment can best be addressed by adapting API environmental corrosion control (API 2000 6th and 7th editions) protocols. These adapted protocols should be one part of a comprehensive program that seeks to identify corrosive environments and prevent or stop damage to fueling equipment.
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Re: Diesel corrosion

Post by ZMiller » Tue Nov 07, 2023 5:34 pm

Latest news Press release from Bud Moore at M & N I see that Harris County, Texas has endorsed and is installing VMI Nitrogen padding units to control corrosion and moisture in fuel equipment sumps and storage tanks. The process of inert gas blanketing for corrosion control may catch on.
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Re: Diesel corrosion

Post by ZMiller » Fri Dec 15, 2023 12:16 pm

Specifications include, but are not limited to: The proposed nitrogen blanketing/padding system shall have provision for three (3) 12,000-gallon and two (2) 25,0000 gallon unleaded/diesel fuel storage tanks. The nitrogen blanketing/padding system including installation and complete testing of the tanks and systems, to verified that there are no leaks, or obstruction to outfitting systems with new system. Each vendor is encouraged to respond with their ability to perform or expand on each activity/deliverable as well as provide additional capabilities not listed. The nitrogen blanketing/padding system shall contain but not limited to: 1. Foundations for the new nitrogen system and generators, including permits, bollards, concrete work 2. Pumps, that are needed to provide the nitrogen to the fuel system. 3. Monitoring equipment/controls, 4. Piping/valving/unions, 5. Cam lock connections and all connections required for installation 6. Spill containment, 7. Emergency and standard venting, 8. Gauge pole, 9. Power/electrical systems, 10. Grounding system, 11. Connection of electrically powered equipment, permits, 12. Temporary construction power, 13. Complete safety equipment including bumper posts/bollards and signage as recommended or required by all authorities having jurisdiction, 14. All incidentals necessary for a complete and fully operational system.

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Re: Diesel corrosion

Post by ZMiller » Sat Feb 10, 2024 2:05 pm

Interesting that now after trying to cure symptoms and tanks rotting away, tank owners start attacking the root causes of the problem.

Some well known Communication companies and Municipalities now simply dry gas blanketing their gasoline, diesel equipment, generator base and nurse tanks to combat corrosion and fuel degradation. The latest in New Jersey I see.

Hopefully now just a mater of time.
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This town is the first in America to ban new gas stations.

Post by Danielwaymn » Tue Feb 13, 2024 12:23 pm

Is banning new gas stations a sustainable solution for reducing carbon emissions and promoting alternative fuel sources, or does it hinder economic growth and limit consumer choice?

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Re: Diesel corrosion

Post by ZMiller » Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:00 pm

Probably Not. There are far more pollution producing constituents entering our environment attributed to motor vehicles than gas stations.
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